Title | : | Green Arrow, Volume 3: Harrow |
Author | : | |
Rating | : | |
ISBN | : | 140124405X |
ISBN-10 | : | 9781401244057 |
Language | : | English |
Format Type | : | Paperback |
Number of Pages | : | 144 |
Publication | : | First published September 17, 2013 |
Also included is the tie-in to Savage Hawkman, Volume 2: Wanted. Green Arrow helps an uneasy ally, Hawkman, as he evades a chasing Thanagarian cops. But is Hawkman a framed hero, or a villain?
Collecting: Green Arrow 0, 14-16, Savage Hawkman 14, Justice League 7
Green Arrow, Volume 3: Harrow Reviews
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In DC’s vain efforts to increase readership, here are the time-tested concepts that they usually fall back on when they are creatively bankrupt. This volume of Green Arrow picks two off the list. The fact that Ann Nocenti comes from the Kevin Smith School of Turgid Dialogue makes this comic even less endearing. Drum roll please!
10. Tweak an origin story. By 'tweak", I mean do a wholesale re-write.
9. Make Supergirl’s costume skimpier
8. Have another one of Bruce Wayne’s childhood friends grow up to be a psychotic killer
7. Another survivor from Krypton? Why not?
6. Add yet another color ring corps in Green Lantern: Chartreuse, Olive, Pink…
5. Make Starfire’s costume skimpier
4. Bring a character back from the dead
3. Add Hawkman/The Atom/Red Tornado or another "C" list character to a storyline. This almost never works.
2. Do another Speed Force storyline
1. Increase Power Girl’s bust line. -
After spending 3 days trying to get past the ugly art and horribly pointless story about Hawkman, a sliver of light burst through the clouds!
I turned the page and *Insert Angelic Choir Singing Here* suddenly Ollie's face didn't look like someone had scribbled all over it!
It almost appeared as though someone who could draw had taken over the artwork.
And as an added bonus...Ann Nocenti was no longer the writer!
There was a dreamlike quality to these events, and I started to wonder if I had somehow fallen asleep on the toilet.
Cause when I'm trying to force myself read something, I always throw it on the back of the commode.
What?
I can't be the only person who does that!?
Whatever. You know you do it, too.
Anyway, it turns out that it wasn't a dream.
Yay!
Unfortunately, the story was only marginally better with Lemire at the helm. Eh.
Still, it was better.
The only part I enjoyed was Geoff Johns' stuff with the Justice League, which I'm pretty sure I'd already read somewhere else before.
Not sure what to think about where this title is headed, but Nocenti is gone...and that has to count for something, right? -
I still don't understand why this book is having such a troubling history and can't seem to find its own way. Although this volume is better than #2 it still suffers from annoying plot holes and ATROCIOUS artwork that is also littered with continuity errors. Oliver's hair changes between pages - on one he has a Caesar cut, and two panels later he has a floppy fringe (and no, it's not a flashback).
I've said it before and I'll say it again - with Arrow being such a hit on CW, you'd think they'd be taking better care of a comic that would now be attracting new fans. If I were one of them, I would wonder what all the fuss was about and how the hell it became a television series when the current source material is so poor. -
This volume reminds me of comics from the early 90s, and in this case that is not a complement. The art is subpar and the story seems thrown together. In the 90s everyone was speculating and it didn't matter what crap was put out there, people were buying it and not even reading it. The idea was to buy it, put it up and hope it was worth money one day. Pretty much all of those comics are worthless now.
In any case, not a whole lot to say about this one. You get an origin story, but its fairly weak as well. Just disappointing, which unfortunately sums up all of the New 52 Green Arrow volumes to this point. Only get this if you're a completist. -
Yawn. The Hawkman Wanted storyline is cut short just when it might actually go somewhere, and the Harrow storyline is overblown and hardly interesting at all. The Zero issue isn't bad, and the Justice League material is infinitely better than any of Nocenti's issues, but this is just bland and boring for the most part. Thank god Jeff Lemire and Andrea Sorrentino take over with Volume 4.
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Green Arrow Vol. 3 Harrow collects issues 0, 14-16, The Savage Hawkman 14, and Justice League 8 and 13 written by Ann Nocenti, Rob Liefeld, Geoff Johns, and Judd Winick with art by Freddie Williams II, Rob Hunter, Joe Bennett, among others.
Green Arrow teams up with Hawkman to battle Thangarian bounty hunters, takes on a crime boss who has taken over the Seattle underground while Ollie was in China, attempts to join the Justice League, and we get a flashback of Ollie's origin.
This was a somewhat better volume but it does feel like a random collection of stories. The Justice League books were fun with Ollie trying to join but JL not wanting anything to do with him. We got an updated origin of Green Arrow which I wasn't a fan of. At least Ann Nocenti is finally done with the series so hopefully the series will see a great bump of quality with Jeff Lemire taking over. -
When will someone get the memo that being a champion of the people and being broke don't have to go hand in hand. I realize that if you want to separate Green Arrow from Batman the money would be about the only place you could start, but let's face it, Green Arrow could not afford to do what he does if he were not a billionaire. It's lazy story telling and completely untrue toward the character. I don't care how many times they've pulled this before.
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Even worse than the last one. I can't wait to get to Lemire, he surely will be better than this.
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DNF. Green Arrow is one of my favourite heroes in the DC universe, but this is straight up garbage. I managed to read the first 2 volumes of the “New 52” Green Arrow & even then is was a struggle. I’m actually embarrassed that I own all the individual comics for this title, had I been reading these as I was buying them I’d have gotten out of comics sooner. I wasn’t impressed with the writing & there were some good writers in here Judd Winick, Geoff Johns & Rob Liefield, there were more that I didn’t know & those didn’t impress me at all. Same with artists Freddie Williams II was one of my favourite Robin artist years ago, he was the only artist I knew.
I think I have had one or 2 other book I couldn’t get thru, so for me this is a huge. I’ve got volume 4 & may just not read it or prematurely as a DNF. If someone who’s already read it can convince me that it’s worth the time I’ll try. -
Again, I'm enjoying this way more than I had thought. I particularly enjoyed this because it is a crossover edition. Green Arrow himself has 4-issues compiled here sandwiched between 1 from "Savage Hawkman" and 2 from "Justice League". As we left the last volume, Hawkman had just come upon the scene, under attack and wanted for murder. GA decides to help the underdog in the situation and Arrow and Hawkman become partners for the first few issues which crossover between a Hawkman issue and Green Arrow issue. I liked this plot quite a bit as again Hawkman is one of those I've not read a lot of, especially from a backstory/beginnings point of view, and he and his team-up with GA intrigues me. Savage Hawkman has been cancelled already but since it only takes up two trades, I've added them to my reading list. Next story has Hawkman messing up an arms deal for dealer Harrow, his young partner Pike and their pit bull protectors. Harrow is out for revenge on GA and this is a quick story that GA is involved in stopping the bad guys, nothing special but some good characters and at the end, he finally feels like he might have helped someone who is actually grateful. Then as the grand finale we go into Justice League issues 8 & 13 which I've read but are a lot of fun. I really enjoyed reading them again within this context. These are the two issues that Green Arrow shows up wanting to join JL and they don't like him and won't have him but Steve Trevor comes along at the end saying "come with me, I have another team I'd like you to join." If you are only reading Green Arrow you might find this volume a bit confusing but if you are into the New 52 universe, it was, as I said, a fun crossover volume.
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I can only imagine what sorts of editorial havoc Geoff Johns and the rest of the DC dream-killers were wreaking when these issues were being published. Ann Nocenti continues to prove herself an extremely adept handler of this character and THEN ... they hand over WRITING DUTIES to none other than Rob freaking Liefeld! For those not familiar with this buffoon, Rob Liefeld was pretty much single-handedly responsible for the distinguished styles that made mainstream comics in the '90s awful. And now he's jumping in to write (and ruin) scripts?! Thank goddess, it was only one issue, but it still threw everything off in this trade paperback. Nocenti takes back the reins briefly after Liefeld, and then Geoff Johns interrupts a good thing again with some shitty issues about Green Arrow trying to join the Justice League of America.
I had heard that the creative team on this title was drastically reset around issue #18, and having already started in on the next volume, I'm seeing that statement justified. So much of the timeline, facts, and plot established in Vol. 3 are thrown out and changed around without being addressed once Jeff Lemire comes on as writer in Vol. 4. So far he seems to be doing a good job at making things weird and interesting, but I keep feeling that Ann Nocenti must have been screwed over by bad artists and worse senior editors and creative directors in the DC offices. -
I sat on this review for about two weeks before writing this. The reason I did this is that I was so appalled by this book that I didn't feel fit to adequately express how bad it was. I did not think that Volume 2 could be topped, but lo and behold the bottom was much further than I ever expected. Nocenti's storylines and writing are just pure garbage. It rivaled the worst of any GA fan stories. Every new book bought a new social dilemma that probably would not have worked well in a 2 story arc let alone a standalone. They were just clumsily created generic plotlines that were confusing to follow and unfun to read on any level to read.
But it was the art that was especially insulting. Page after page Queen's look changed. From book to book he was rarely consistent. The fight scenes were barely understandable. Every one of them brought moments of "Wait...what just happened?"
So if you are like me and feel inclined to read the GA books in order, then by all means go ahead and read it. But be prepared that these people who have chosen this medium as a profession make a mockery of your time, money, and energy. Nocenti and co have not only embarrassed themselves, GA, and DC with this filth but could very easily have set back the entire medium of comic books. It is difficult to believe that someone read these books and found them fit to print. -
At this point I should know that if Ann Nocenti's name is on a book, I shouldn't even bother. Her portions of this title are painful to read; badly scripted, poorly paced, and gratingly bad dialog (and random people just showing up - I mean why does a lady who is wanting to watch a parade show up in the comic three separate times for no more reason than to comment Green Arrow should be in the parade?). The new villain, Harrow, is dull, and this book actually includes a scene of a character (either a child or a little person; it's never made clear) pit fighting with a dog, with blow-by-blow details. Just horrendous.
There are other sections that aren't quite so bad - there's a Hawkman crossover that ends up going nowhere and doesn't do any favors for either character, and then there are couple of Justice League issues where Green Arrow looks like a pathetic wannabe begging for attention, then a zero issue that retells his origin in a way that does him no justice.
Look Green Arrow isn't my favorite character, but if this is the best you can do with him/for him, then why even bother publishing him? Let him rest for a while until you can do something useful with the character. Don't waste our time with garbage like this. -
Just not very good. There's no continuity, it's all episodic, and some of the writing is just plain bad. The third-person narration in the first issue of this volume was especially jarring. When is there ever need of third-person narration in a fucking comic book!? It has fucking pictures for muckfuck sake! First-person narration makes sense and of course is a staple of the genre, but third-person? That's fucking unforgivable. On top of that, Freddie Williams II should not be allowed near any pens and pencils. His artwork is pure annoying. He makes Green Arrow look like a young, short-haired, athletic, sporty female--which would be fine if he was, but he ain't. There's nothing good about his artwork.
After reading the first volume, which was overtly simplistic, I thought I'd give this series a chance because the first one was mildly entertaining, at least (tho I knew enough to skip volume 2). However, with the hodgepodge of writers and artists, they clearly have no idea what to do with this character. I'll just stick to the TV show, which is a cross between Gossip Girl and Knight Rider, which means it's kind of perfect. -
I enjoyed the story of the Hawkman crossover and the issue of Justice League, but the rest of this was pretty much geabage. I'm so glad Ann Nocenti's run as writer is over. Writing gets 2.5 stars only for the items included that were not written by Nocenti.
Freddie Williams II is the artist for the Nocenti written issues. In closeups, his characters look good as far as initial drawing, but when he tries to draw in the details it looks like a child did it. I'm pretty sure I said the same thing about the art in the review for the previous volume. Childlike scribbles do not goid details make as Yoda would say. Only reason the art gets any stars is because of Justice League & that 1 issue only raises the art score to 1.5 stars.
2 star overall book. So glad that Nocenti is finished on the series. Glad Williams II is gone as well. Heard great things about Lemire's run & I'm actually looking forward to volume 4. -
Going to try this volume after I stopped reading vol. 2 after one issue in. It's a shame to see a lot of these New 52 series fail to find their footing and subsist on little more than a slightly new look to each character.
Couldn't do it. Nocenti doesn't think that this character, or possibly comics as a whole, can be serious or can be plotted slowly and with for thought. It's fast, cheeky and wastes the character's potential. Green arrow was great pre-New 52 when Winick had his hands on him, but this is just the cheap and fast stuff that sadly dominates what I've seen in too many New 52 titles: comics made in a flashier and likely cheaper manner with little care taken to curate these characters to their fullest potential. -
This made me think back to when Rob Reiner's director Marty DiBergi shared an album review with the band in This Is Spinal Tap:
"The review for Shark Sandwich was merely a two word review which simply read "Shit Sandwich."
There were no favors done by the apparent hodgepodge collection of this and that in this volume (with Nocenti, Johns/Lemire, and Winnick writing parts, respectively). Nocenti had already created a maddeningly arbitrary storyline, peopled with 1-D characters and '90s "extreme"ness (Harrow & Iron Eagle are both ludicrous villains that I think Liefeld would snicker at). It was a chore to make through here. I have nothing positive to say. Good riddance, Nocenti. -
There's a point in Green Arrow Vol. 3: Harrow, where Ollie asks Hawkman, "Just what kind of mess am I stepping into?" and it's with the same trepidation readers should approach the New 52 Green Arrow. The same issues that plagued volume 1 and 2 of Green Arrow are still here: the lack of a cohesive story line, the horrible (and it really is quite horrible) artwork and bad characterisation. I guess the only saving grace of this volume is when Green Arrow crosses over with Hawkman and Justice League, thereby gaining a new writer and artist, even if it is temporarily. The only thing that keeps me reading these is my vested interested in the show Arrow and knowing that the showrunners are involved in future issues of Green Arrow.
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Cancel or re-reboot this series.
UPDATE 11/5: "The series was originally written by J.T. Krul, who was later replaced by Ann Nocenti. Neither's run was well received by critics or fans, and beginning with issue 17, the series received a new creative team in writer Jeff Lemire and artist Andrea Sorrentino; this team has brought more positive reception to the book."
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This makes me happy as this book is the end of the creative teams I did not enjoy. There is hope in Lemire as he wrote some of my favorite Animal Man books. -
So we get at least 2/3rds of a Green Arrow/Hawkman team-up with no real conclusion.
I am beginning to see an arc when Ollie is beginning to become a hero...but being over a year late it's a little late.
Harrow, as a villian is just a guy offering money.
And this art is not my style at all. -
I read this book with trying patience, hoping that Nocenti and the artist creative team pick up their quality and restore Green Arrow to some level of readability.
Nope. Got nothing. The art actually took a turn to the worse and ended up depending on narration's descriptions to pick up its slack. That's not to say that the writing quality was acceptable. Not at all. -
A lot better than the previous two volumes.
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Arrow teams up with Hawkman, takes down an arms dealer and tries to get into The Justice League.
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Ja naprawdę nie mam po drodze z Panią Ann Nocenti, oj nie mam. Powierzony jej cykl o przygodach Szmaragdowego Łucznika to jedno z najgorszych doświadczeń w ramach New 52. Całe szczęście, że włodarze DC szybko się zorientowali co i jak, powierzając dalsze zeszyty Panu Lemire, który wywiązał się z pracy znakomicie i doprowadził niejako do odrodzenia Strzały w komiksie.
Mamy tu przemieszanie z poplątaniem i przyjdzie nam de facto zerknąć na aż cztery nie powiązane ze sobą historie i samo w sobie nie byłoby to złe, gdyby nie fakt, że tylko jedna się broni jakimś tam poziomem i w zasadzie pochodzi ona z serii Justice League, gdzie Arrow usilnie chce dołączyć do wspomnianej grupy superbohaterów. Jest jak taki typowy natręt, bowiem narzuca się Batmanowi i reszcie w kilku przypadkach, mając tak naprawdę marginalny wpływ na przebieg obserwowanych wydarzeń. Coś go tam łączy więcej z Zieloną Latarnią, Halem Jordanem, ale ten typ jest chyba najsłabszym, denerwującym członkiem Ligi, więc znajomość ta w żaden sposób nie pomaga Strzale w zyskiwaniu sympatii czytelników.
Album zaczyna nijaka historia o walce ze "znajomymi" Hawk mana, gdzie mamy cały ciąg starć, latania, skakania i w sumie niewiele z tego wynika, poza ziewaniem, bo całość jest nudna jak flaki z olejem i przysparza o ból głowy. Nie ma między tymi typami "żadnej chemii", choć poświęcono im aż dwa zeszyty, z czego tak się różnią diametralnie stylem, bo ten lepszy zeszycik pochodzi z serii o Hawkman'ie... A i tamta serii nie jest zbyt wysokich lotów...
Mamy tu też historię z zbioru Zero Year, gdzie Ollie był jeszcze nieopierzonym kmiotkiem, łuku używającym tylko do zabaw i gdzie podczas jednej z licznych imprez na jakieś platformie wiertniczej(czy coś w tym stylu, ważne że na morzu) przyjdzie mu się zmierzyć z niejakim Iron Eagle'm. Jedna z gorszych "historyjek" o początkach herosa. Zahaczymy też o Steve'a Trevora i tajemnicze emblematy, najpewniej dotyczące Secret Society.
Tytuł odnosi się do zeszytów, gdzie występuje niejaki Harrow, złoczyńca tak charyzmatyczny, że jego podwładni wolą sobie strzelić samobója, albo powalczyć na arenie z psami niż wysłuchiwać co gość gada... Swoją drogą jest tu taki kadr, gdzie myślałem, iż niejaki Pike przy atakuje biednego psiaka od tyłu i będzie przykład pierwszej zoofili w komiksie... Naprawdę. Ollie zachowuje się tu wyjątkowo nielogicznie. Gdy złoczyńca go atakuje to Arrow ucieka, kiedy dałby sobie spokojnie radę ze złoczyńcą, a potem nie ma już zahamowań aby wskoczyć do magazynu pełnego męt i psów, aby spuścić im tam srogi łomot... Już nie mówiąc, że daje na moment sidekickowi Harrowa łuk, aby ten sobie postrzelał do muru. Gdzie tu logika? Postać niejakiej Glorii, absurdalna. Gdyby nie przyjrzał się kadrowi to bym nie wiedział, że przeżyła pewien wybuch... Wyglądało to tak, jakby ilustrator nie miała zbyt wiele miejsca, ale próbował umieścić się tyle ile się da, waląc skrótowcami na prawo i lewo. To po co była ta postać w ogóle? Byle poświecić biustem?
Nie był to taki koszmar jak tom drugi, wyglądał też znośnie, choć twarze przy użytej kresce wyglądały czasami dość dziwnie i na jedno kopyto. Zwłaszcza, że mamy tu mix styli z innych serii, które wyglądają o niebo lepiej od tego co zaprezentował Williams II (choć jego kreska czasami wygląda spoko), co się nieco gryzie w wyglądzie głównej postaci. "Solidne" 2/5. -
The third volume of Green Arrow's New 52 revival is a collection issues #14-16 of the series along with a couple issues of some random other New 52 DC era comics that feature Green Arrow and issue #0 that retell Green Arrow's origins. The biggest arc in this collection is a team-up story with Hawkman that is about them rescuing Hawkman's lady from a bunch of rival Hawkmen (I guess). Despite having several issues in this collection dedicated to this story, it seems very unfinished by the times it ends.
Next up is a newly created villain named Harrow who runs dog fights and the Green Arrow is going to stop him. It turns into a kitschy Lifetime original movie scenario that involves Ollie bonding with a teenage boy who tries to blow up the city. It's really, really mediocre.
Then there is the issue with Ollie trying to join the JLA. It's funny and interesting and well written, so completely out of place in this collection. I liked it a lot, but there are a bunch of references to Aquaman and Green Arrow hating each other that are never explained.
Lastly is an unnecessary rehashing of Green Arrow's origin story. It's uninspired and bland, so fitting in tone with all three of these New 52 Green Arrow collections. Skip this, head straight to Lemire's run. -
This was a pretty good book, except for the origin story. I did not like it so much. The main theme through all of the origin stories for Green Arrow is that he gets stuck on an uncharted island for a long enough time to turn Oliver Queen into the GA. He also feels he owes a debt to society when he comes back and thus the heroing / vigilanteing.
The namesake villain of the book, Harrow, is not a terribly exciting character. But, it provides teh chance for Ollie to examine his values and make some choice, that in my opinion push him over the line from well-meaning vigilante to hero. -
Rating: 1/5
Reason: First of all, perhaps you should try it yourself and give it a good read! Secondly, to start the review, it just feels like the writing kind of gave up at this point. It was very predictable and almost a slap to the face of anyone who spent hard-earned money on this. This volume does have some lending of other superheroes, which is when Green Arrow is at his best, surrounded by others, but this shouldn't be about them. It should be about HIM. Anyways, avid collectors should get this book. Casual collectors and readers should stay away from it.
Thank you for reading,
Zach Espinoza -
The main problem with this book is that it has two parts of the six-part "Hawkman: Wanted" story. Which is beyond annoying. Fortunately, my husband found me the other parts, which are in issue of Deathstroke and three of Savage Hawkman.
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Although this was a better volume, there some random ten pages sections that I couldn't understand the purpose of. They kind of helped with the Hawkman and Justice League stories, but why not reprint the whole issue?